tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-736448434152217111.post5332055192178292521..comments2023-10-19T11:27:25.565-04:00Comments on Nutwood Junction: Prohibiting the free exercise thereofBethhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05149068921334726430noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-736448434152217111.post-43236377481737267312010-06-16T13:52:39.901-04:002010-06-16T13:52:39.901-04:00Though you know I'm not fan of religion/religi...Though you know I'm not fan of religion/religious institutions Beth, I'm looking forward to the mosque being built. It is an important symbol in some ways. The people who don't want the mosque built are either racist, anti-Islam, or terribly uninformed about our constitution and our nation's history. Hard to fight that, but fight it we must.Kyle Leachhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13369076904327452139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-736448434152217111.post-27851469244671769062010-06-08T22:20:17.651-04:002010-06-08T22:20:17.651-04:00I agree, a community center and leave it at that.I agree, a community center and leave it at that.Ken Richeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09425810816600512504noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-736448434152217111.post-24760308956194386382010-06-08T16:38:48.880-04:002010-06-08T16:38:48.880-04:00Great topic and a beautifully reasoned post. Havin...Great topic and a beautifully reasoned post. Having followed the link trail a ways, I entirely agree with your position and its constitutional basis. I also entirely agree with Stephen Suleyman Schwartz who points out the contradiction in the thinking of Imam Rauf, the Sufi spiritual leader of the Cordoba project: if Sufism puts strong emphasis on sensitivity toward others, then what could be less sensitive in a Muslim than to build an extravagantly large (15 storey) center 600 ft. from Ground Zero?<br /><br />It isn't lost on most Americans that it has been in mosques that so many who embrace terrorist philosophies and intentions have been incubated. <br /><br />I conclude that we Americans should approve the project and that the Muslim community, and Imam Rauf in particular, should call a temporary halt in the construction of this center in order to search their hearts and consciences, to reflect on their intentions, and to clarify their motives for themselves, asking for prayers from Muslims throughout the country. The terrorist act that brought down the Towers impacted all Americans; the decisions that are being made by the Cordoba Initiative will also effect all Americans...even those who are not aware of the project. A prayer halt at this juncture would go a long way toward reassuring Americans.<br /><br />And all that is asking a hell of a lot from all concerned.Nancehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15166865250789996825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-736448434152217111.post-44803178078910414862010-06-08T11:39:33.040-04:002010-06-08T11:39:33.040-04:00I think the objections come from the fact that the...I think the objections come from the fact that the majority of mosques, if not all, are built on sites sacred to someone else. Examples are the mosques built on the Temple Mount in Israel, and over 2,000 mosques built on former Hindu temple sites. I don't remember the name of it, but there is a former Catholic (I think) church somewhere that was converted to a mosque. <br /><br />The purpose of this practice is to show Islam's superiority over all other religions. It's clear from Islam's history that the Ground Zero location is no accident. It's clear intention is to display their superiority over the United States, considered by the rest of the world to be a Christian nation. They know that the site of a tragedy is customarily memorialized by Americans, such as the site of the Murrah building in Oklahoma City.<br /><br />If the proposed building site was anywhere else in the New York area, I don't think there would be any objections.Dirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04794945973074374935noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-736448434152217111.post-83741303803600390752010-06-08T10:30:51.915-04:002010-06-08T10:30:51.915-04:00All religions are dangerous. I make no distinction...All religions are dangerous. I make no distinctions between any of them.Toonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02867993460493875221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-736448434152217111.post-83148904797575912932010-06-07T19:19:29.421-04:002010-06-07T19:19:29.421-04:00what bob said.
people in the united states should...what bob said.<br /><br />people in the united states should be able to build their damn church anywhere they can afford to do so. <br /><br />let's replace mosque with 'synagogue' or 'african methodist episcopal church' and see what happens. anyone denying either of those two denominations would be considered an anti-semite or a racist. then their would be the usual overgeneralizations linking the person to hitler and the acts to jim crow laws. then faux news and rush and sarah will become experts on the topic and all the good teabaggers will do exactly what they are told.<br /><br />the aforementioned wolves in sheep's clothing are more of a threat to us as americans then the flocks that are gonna build and worship at a mosque in NYC. when are people gonna see that?<br /><br />xxalainaxxmrs.missalaineushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08542984504965262088noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-736448434152217111.post-73621803621623937792010-06-06T22:46:07.064-04:002010-06-06T22:46:07.064-04:00Beth, I want to leave a comment here and I probabl...Beth, I want to leave a comment here and I probably will but first of all I have to say I am sick and tired of this crap. It gives me a stomach ache. When and where did religion become such a belligerent issue in this country? As Mark said the constitution is an open arms document, not a closed door one. This nation is a place where all the people of whatever nationality, etnic background, education level, race or religion can live together under the rule of law, harmoniously and at peace. We are an example to the world. But we're a poor example these days.<br /><br />Ground Zero is not a sacred place. It's a hole in the ground. Everyone seems to forget, or else never noticed, the destruction of the WTC was not about Islam, it was about Israel. That some people can cite scripture for criminal acts is not the fault of the religion. If the Catholic Church wanted to build there would people object because of pedophile priests? Of course not, because it wasn't the Catholics who blew up the buildings.<br /><br />There are many great problems in the world: many children dying every day, the unresolved problems of the Middle East, human righta abuses all over the world and oil washing up on our southern flanks. Many, many great problems. A Muslim mosque in lower Manhattan is not one of them.<br /><br />DBDBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09144446186279708019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-736448434152217111.post-57332911924254442192010-06-06T17:26:39.897-04:002010-06-06T17:26:39.897-04:00Leo & Morton - that has zip to do w/WHERE the ...Leo & Morton - that has zip to do w/WHERE the mosque is placed, then, doesn't it? You both just object on the grounds it's a religious building, period - which the First Amendment permits, so can't do anything there! I guess the ONLY acceptable religious building for you both would be a Unitarian Church - which would be awesome, but unlikely....<br /><br />Beth - it should come as no surprise to you that I fart in the general direction of those who object to this b/c it's a mosque! They have a problem, they can build their own church right door.... :pppTimothy Liebehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17964909587824784208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-736448434152217111.post-80898402045754129302010-06-06T15:53:54.199-04:002010-06-06T15:53:54.199-04:00hmmm... I wasn't aware of the Mosque being bui...hmmm... I wasn't aware of the Mosque being built near ground zero until I read your entry. I was excited to see that you made a post and couldn't wait to see what you had to say about the issue of freedom of religion and the First Admendment in this matter.<br /><br />A lot of what is happening now is a parsing of the constitution and selectively applying what expresses their particular point of view. The elegance of the Constitution is that it is truly a timeless and clear document that made clear the intent that the Founding Father's had in mind when they wrote it.<br /><br />Even when it is twisted by people from McCarthy to the Tea Party, the Constitution always bounces back. I am of firm belief that it will again outlast those would would try to use it as a raised weapon instead of the open arms that it has always beens seen as in its history.Big Mark 243https://www.blogger.com/profile/10974573439218884164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-736448434152217111.post-21784495314876782172010-06-06T15:52:27.670-04:002010-06-06T15:52:27.670-04:00i regard myself as spiritual,rather than religious...i regard myself as spiritual,rather than religious,my beliefs are just that beth,my beliefs,and,like you,i believe no-one has the right to try and shove THEIR beliefs down my throat.as for a mosque at ground zero?i dont agree with it for that same reason,surely a MULTI faith community centre would be better?is that possible?nope.because everyone is so sure THEIR belief is the only one that matters.think its called human nature?good entry.take care my friend love mort xxxmortonlakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12248807578958314195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-736448434152217111.post-16968133303084711582010-06-06T15:14:14.038-04:002010-06-06T15:14:14.038-04:00You continue to be one of the most reasonable and ...You continue to be one of the most reasonable and reasoned people I know. Well written, and very much mirroring my thoughts on the matter.Call me Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17704646008578216859noreply@blogger.com